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Never Forget: In 1985 Police Dropped a Bomb on a West Philly Neighborhood; Killing 11 and Destroying 61 Homes

On May 13, 1985, at approximately 5:28 p.m., two, one-pound bombs were dropped onto a house at 6221 Osage Avenue. The bombs were dropped from about 60 feet above the house by a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter. It was recorded, that the 500+ police officers at the scene, fired approximately 10,000 rounds of ammunition in the direction of the house in 90 minutes. This act of terrorism caused the deaths of 11 people (6 adults and 5 children) and destroyed 61 houses in the predominately Black neighborhood of West Philadelphia.

The city police department had been locked in an ongoing feud with a group called MOVE. Founded by John Africa in 1972, the MOVE Organization, is a Philadelphia-based Black liberation group that preached revolution and advocated a return to a nature lifestyle. They lived communally and vowed to lead a life uninterrupted by the government, police, or technology. They were passionate supporters of animal rights and members adopted vegan diets. Members also adopted the surname “Africa.” Often times they would engage in public demonstrations related to issues they deemed important.

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In preparation for a stand off, police evacuated the neighborhood on May 12th (the day before the bombing), telling residents they could return in 24 hours.  By early Monday morning on May 13th, there were more than 500 police officers surrounding the MOVE house. At 5:35 a.m., police gave four MOVE members named in arrest warrants, 15 minutes to surrender, however no one exited the house. When MOVE refused to surrender, the police began their attack with tear gas, smoke grenades, and water cannons. At some point during the attack, gun fire broke out. It’s unknown who fired first. Police say MOVE took the first shot. MOVE says the police fired first. The shooting continued for nearly 90 minutes. At 5:35 p.m., the type of bomb the police chose to drop on this residential, highly populated area of West Philadelphia was called a Tovex TR2. It was a commercial explosive, invented in the 1960’s as an option to dynamite, and its purpose was to dig trenches through rock in order to lay pipes. The bomb’s manufacturer, the DuPont Company, had an explosive products division located a little more than a half hour from Philadelphia in Delaware. However, no one from the fire or police department ever contacted DuPont to ask what could happen if TR2 were used in a residential neighborhood. Under the assumption that the two, 1-pound bombs wouldn’t be enough to breach the bunker, the police decided to strap a one-and-one-quarter-pound block of C-4 on top of the two Tovex bombs.

The Pennsylvania State Police helicopter took off from the command post at 63rd and Walnut, flew a few times over 6221 Osage Avenue, and then hovered 60 feet above the two-story house in the Black, middle-class West Philadelphia neighborhood. After radioing firefighters on the ground and lighting the bomb’s 45-second fuse — and with the official approval of Mayor W. Wilson Goode and at the insistence of Police Commissioner Gregore SamborLt. Frank Powell, chief of Philadelphia’s bomb disposal unit, tossed the bomb onto the roof of the bunker.

The resulting blast, lead to a large, bright orange ball of fire that reached 7,200 degrees Fahrenheit. The aftermath left 11 dead (including five completely innocent and defenseless children) and the incineration of 61 homes. Among the dead were, 7-year-old Tomasa, 9-year-old Delicia, 10-year-old Phil, 11-year-old Netta, 13-year-old Tree, and 25-year-old Rhonda. 

Once the bomb was dropped on the MOVE house, the city’s fire department that was already on the scene, was instructed to stand down and let the resulting fire destroy the building. The fire department stood idly by, as the intense fire spread and destroyed a total of 61 homes, most of them owned by residents who were forced to watch helplessly as their houses were consumed by fire. Although many of the block’s residents had complained about being besieged by MOVE members spreading their beliefs using a bullhorn, these same residents tried to stop the police siege of their community when they saw the police force that was deployed.

philly bombingIn the wake of the bombing, the Philadelphia Special Investigation Commission (better known as the MOVE Commission) was formed to investigate the bombing. After extensive interviews, many of which were of police officers, the Commission said what took place was “criminally evil.” There is eyewitness testimony and evidence, to indicate that the people fleeing the burning building were shot at and shot by the police, as they exited into the back alley of the building. The Commission also stated on record, that this would never had happened “had the MOVE house and its occupants been situated in a comparable white neighborhood.” MOVE Commission Chairman William Brown, stated, “I firmly believe that more people got out than Birdie and Ramona and that’s something that still nags at me. I believe that someone, someday will deliver a deathbed confession …” And the Commission itself noted in Finding Number 28 of its official report that “police gunfire in the rear alley prevented the escape from the fire of some occupants of the MOVE house.

Even though the city of Philly had a Black mayor, Wilson Goode, and a Black city Managing Director, Leo Brooks, this atrocity was still allowed to occur. Even after the mayor had a meeting with 5 influential Black political leaders at his home on the morning of the bombing, he still gave the go-ahead to the police department to execute the dropping of the bombs.


“Were we wanted for rape, robbery, murder? No, nothing,” Ramona Africa, the only living MOVE survivor of that day, told the Guardian newspaper. Africa linked the bombing to the recent police killings of Michael Brown, Eric Garner and Freddie Gray: “These people that take an oath that swear to protect, save lives – the cops don’t defend poor people, poor white, black, Latino people. They don’t defend us, they kill us.


“All you have to do is look at the rash of police murders and the cops not being held accountable,” she added. “That should really alarm and outrage people, but the thing is that it’s happening today because it wasn’t stopped in ’85. The only justice that can be done is people seeing this system for what it is.”

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Dana Dunn May 31, 2016 at 11:01 am

How in the world have I never heard of this??? Its amazing how they can completely disappear history!!! We have to teach our children

Eugene J Borys June 5, 2016 at 12:42 pm

Romana Africa and the MOVE movement setup an ambush that killed Philadelphia Police officers, during what I think was corrupt and racist police commissioner Frank Rizzo. But Philadelphia’s first black mayor Wilson Goode dropped the bombs and the ball in this mess and black eye o.k. Philadelphia history

Derwin September 5, 2016 at 9:06 am

All of that is wrong. During the first MOVE confrontation on Powelton Ave. One officer was killed by friendly fire. At the Osage confrontation, the police commissioner gave the orders to drop the bomb and to let the fire burn. The mayor wasn’t on the scene, but he should have been.

Dawn October 7, 2019 at 12:11 am

What exaxtly is friendly fire???

GP Teves October 7, 2019 at 12:39 am

In war, when you accidentally injure or kill someone from your own side.

Tamesha o October 7, 2019 at 12:41 am

He was killed by another officer🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️

Troy October 9, 2019 at 1:28 pm

When you’re shot by someone that’s supposed to be on your side. In other words, the POLICE shot and killed that police officer.

Bil October 9, 2019 at 8:44 pm

Sigh. I don’t know Ebay to believe anymore

John Asher October 16, 2019 at 8:15 am

I’m trying to gather why it’s a racist thing if the Mayor and the city manager were both black and gave the orders to do it? Dont get me wrong, it was totally wrong and uncalled for no matter the color but racist?
There was also a comment that someone was amazed how “they” erase history. Isnt that what’s going on now with everyone calling to eradicate all the history around the civil war?

T.J. Smith October 7, 2019 at 10:03 am

The story even states that the Mayor approved the dropping of the bombs. In big cities like Philly, the PC won’t make that decision without the Mayor saying it’s okay
PC = Police Commish.

Judy Robinson October 11, 2019 at 8:31 pm

First time that I am hearing about this

Brenda James October 12, 2019 at 3:58 am

But Goode gave the approval. The police could not have acted without Goode’s consent.

Lenaille M smith September 25, 2018 at 5:42 pm

the mayor don’t control the police commissioner despite what tv shows you.

T.J. Smith October 7, 2019 at 10:03 am

The story even states that the Mayor approved the dropping of the bombs. In big cities like Philly, the PC won’t make that decision without the Mayor saying it’s okay
PC = Police Commish.

Brenda James October 12, 2019 at 4:00 am

Yes; the mayor is the chief executive officer of the City. The police reports to him. He has the final say.

Bart Jan Mathot October 12, 2019 at 7:58 am

Democrat or Republican Mayor/Police Chief ???

C cboins October 14, 2019 at 7:34 am

The mayor in that time was a Democrat

Jermaine Jones October 14, 2019 at 3:12 am

The mayor runs n dictates the police well here n Chicago it does

Soup October 9, 2019 at 12:33 pm

You think? If its not facts dont speak

Becca Cisco Hutch October 10, 2019 at 12:48 pm

I remember ,sad day that was handled wrong Karma knows

Chandra Hun October 12, 2019 at 6:58 am

Where were you when this happened? Does this article have a lot of truth in it?.

Jenny October 12, 2019 at 5:42 pm

Bitch dont you EVER talk about Frank Rizzo that man was a saint!!!! He did so much for black immigrants that wanted to come & get an education & be a good member of society & not a goon or a thug!!!!! He secured funding for remodeling og my grandmothers 3 story walk up that housed many immigrants who were black & here getting an education!!! Dont you try tarnishing his good name & he is dead & gone!!!!! Your a disgusting cow.

Peter Bodek October 16, 2019 at 1:06 am

This Earth God made he put man on it and ever since man has done his upmost to destroy what God had created destroy anything and everything in it’s wake and it’s still happening. In the year 2019 mankind need to wake up look at the damage he has caused and the lives which has been been distroyed as it’s only brother killing brother as all men are equal no one man is superior than any other man

Sean Hellier June 29, 2016 at 2:12 am

I watched it on TV. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Sure, the people they were trying to evict and arrest were hateful and violent creatures who did indeed violently resist arrest, but how anyone could choose to bomb an American neighborhood and destroy it is incomprehensible to me.

Another thing: when the hoodlums (and innocent children) tried to escape the inferno, cops shot them dead as they ran from the burning buildings. It was a slaughter. And I have never understood how or why those who did this thing weren’t charged with mass murder.

BTW: I’m not sure this is important, but I’m a white guy, and all the white people I knew were horrified at this thing. It was evil. That it happened in America is beyond belief.

Doug September 3, 2016 at 1:46 am

Your description of the MOVE families is totally incorrect. I lived in Philly from 1973 to 1977, and I loved it, but I left due to lack of employment. WHY? Because I wore dreadlocks then, and outside of the MOVE community that was not very common, nor was it acceptable. It was made very clear to me that I was unemployable because I belonged to MOVE. I knew about that group, and I admired them, but I had no inkling whatsoever of their inner culture. Did not know one single person from their community which was in a different location at that time ( 33rd Street in Powelton Village, an area of prime real estate ). The troubles began there when the neighborhood complained continuously about their agrarian lifestyle in such a tony neighborhood, and the cops began to continually harass them and finally evict them illegally and forcefully, leaving one cop dead and several others in the scenario, on both sides, wounded. Thus their move to the bombing site.

Derwin September 5, 2016 at 9:16 am

They weren’t violent. The neighbors complained in each location: Powelton and Osage because the MOVE group had dogs and did not clean the poo. They thought that it was natural to let it lay in their yard. But it made their yard stink. The neighbors complained to licensing and inspections that it was a health code violation. The ignored fines became warrants which became police action in each case. The first police action resulted in an officer being killed by friendly fire. The second action resulted in 11 deaths and the burning of two city blocks. All over dog poop.

Linda Watkins October 8, 2019 at 11:26 am

Wow totally unbelievable no words can I think to say. In 1985 I lived in San Diego Ca. I don’t remember seeing this in the news. WOW how horrible.

SaraB October 10, 2019 at 1:49 pm

Linda-it was all over the news. And yes lots of white Americans horrified.

Charles Bolton October 10, 2019 at 11:42 pm

Move and the SLA massacre in Los Angeles. Don’t forget Waco Texas. White and Black deviant lifestyles destroyed. Interesting how American culture strives to suppress immigrant culture deals so violently with radicle groups. What is American Culture? Blacks who as imported slaves had their culture beaten out of them. American Indians and Asians?

Nia B. September 4, 2016 at 8:13 am

Violent creatures? Okay.. No, they were activist.

Michael October 7, 2019 at 6:38 am

I was just going to comment on that. He/she called em creatures and hoodlums but called the murdering nazi type people cops. But yet wants to get credit because he/she is white.

Jerrod Lowther September 4, 2016 at 8:50 am

Do you honestly believe this would’ve occurred if it were a white supremist group in a white neighborhood? Why can’t some Caucasian people just can’t say ” yeah they only killed them because they’re black”!!

Mark England August 27, 2019 at 11:24 pm Reply
james October 6, 2019 at 10:49 pm

Ever heard of the Branch Davidians or Ruby Ridge?

Mark Walker October 7, 2019 at 9:08 pm

Two examples fall way short of an effective counter argument on this point of continued bias, harrassment, injury and murder.

George October 8, 2019 at 12:49 pm

Waco, Ruby Ridge….. You dont have exclusivity believe me.

SaraB October 10, 2019 at 1:52 pm

There is NO comparison between those two examples and hundreds of years of violence against blacks.

Karl E. Riley October 9, 2019 at 11:40 am

Because this happened in the south in Waco, to white men, women, and children as well as in Ruby Ridge!

Keith October 9, 2019 at 12:11 pm

Actually it has happened to whites. Waco and Ruby Ridge are two examples

Jan Harris September 4, 2016 at 2:58 pm

So disgusted by this show of no mercy for innocent children and the rest of the neighborhood whose homes were destroyed! What happened to those people? Who replaced their homes and belongings? How could this be the only solution police and city officials came up with?

Tee September 12, 2018 at 1:07 pm

The problem is, they would have never done something like this to a white person, and they do worse shit than most Blacks. And Sean, where the hell you you get off calling people creatures smfh. It is people like you who perpetuate this cycle.

Walt Burnham October 24, 2018 at 6:59 am

Actually…Waco. This doesn’t excuse police terror tactics at all. Just sayin’.

Carlos Hutchinson October 10, 2019 at 3:32 pm

Waco Texas was one compound, not 61 homes

Chad February 17, 2019 at 12:43 am

As Mark said, it has happened to white people..

mark Walker October 7, 2019 at 9:19 pm

If you are going to ignore the differences in scale due to white privilege, then sure, “even Steven”. But, if you aren’t outraged, you aren’t actually paying attention.
Injustices against minority and oppressed and harrassed communities have been ongoing for centuries. America didn’t invent this behavior, but it sure didn’t put it down like a rabid dog either.

Samantha February 3, 2019 at 8:47 am

You sound so racist but yet trying to sound like you really care fuck your comment

Corey February 6, 2019 at 7:20 pm

Using words like violent creatures and hoodlums is a dead giveaway that you’re obviously white. White can’t they be violent citizens or a few disgruntled men. Even in your attempt to be nice you’re still insulting which means just say nothing at all

Mark February 13, 2019 at 8:54 am

God if you people knew the real truth about where white folks come from and how they came about you would be appalled.

Dawn October 7, 2019 at 12:08 am

Yep they stole EVERYTHING FROM THE INDIANS!!! Their land their food their homes u name it the white man took feom them!!!

Bob Marley October 8, 2019 at 8:23 am

Racism is just a way for weak people to get a hand out get a job and shut the fuck up pussies

Kayla October 12, 2019 at 12:23 am

It breaks my heart to see such violence on such a pure hearted attempt of solitude. I am white but one thing is for sure the color of your skin is just the complexion of your cells the blood in your veins still pots the same color! Black, white, or anything in between America was built for our right to our freedoms! This is beyond belief that people who are here to “protect us” could not find a better way to deal with something that small of an issue (dog shit …. really) and the saddest part of this all is it still continues today to both races today. I truly hope that we all can put aside our skin color(that we can not control) and stand up for ANY of our fellow humans that are being forced or mistreated by ANY other person. We all deserve to feel appreciated and safe in our home and town, we all have something to learn from the other and something to apply from the other. Maybe then this world could actually be what we want our kids to grow up in. Sorry and prayers to ANY in any similar situation. Prayers to all. 😞

Daniel February 10, 2019 at 11:16 am

Sean, you are horribly arrogant, ignorant and racist. Those to whom you refer to as evil creatures are human beings. You would not likely describe them as such if they were your relatives living in your neighborhood. How can you claim to know the facts when in fact you only saw a second hand account of it on tv. I wouldn’t be so stupid. God is not pleased.

Brittnay August 8, 2019 at 8:56 pm

I cant believe the verbatim used so willingly and happily. Peaceful protest does not deem anyone evil or hoodlums. Sorry I dont consider curse words violet. I am honestly at a loss for words and that is hard for a degree holder in Communication. You are the problem that continues on today. You are the one who pushes this hate among communities. Oh you were so mortified but you gladly and openly removed your presence from the so called evil creatures. You’re sick and just as bad. As I read this article I am brought to tears the fact you can be so ignorant is ridiculous that people like you have power in this country.

Brittnay August 8, 2019 at 8:57 pm

Sorry I was chasing my one year old dont get confused with violet. I meant VIOLENT

Jeff October 7, 2019 at 7:40 pm

I think you need to get a refund for all expenses paid for that “communications” (lol) degree because, wow.

Q September 11, 2019 at 5:18 pm

Hoodlums? Goodbye

Mike October 7, 2019 at 3:01 pm

Just curious Sean Hellier, what facts can you produce to prove your theory, that those folks were hateful and violent creatures who did indeed violently resist arrest?

fuckobama October 8, 2019 at 7:29 pm

what facts? are you fucking kidding me idiot… they shot at th cops… they killed a cop…. they deserved to die.. period

Jess October 11, 2019 at 7:55 am

Can you read at all, trollburger? First cop killed was with friendly fire. Followed by harrassments, evictions.. In Australia we call not answering the door “non violent resistance” . In America theyvr got 2 pounds of bombs and 1.25 pound of extra explosives strapped to that, ready to drop from the sky.. They knew they were killing every motherf****r in that place 24hrs prior AT LEAST, when they evacuated the neighbourhood. Whether the Africa family came out or not, they were going to die. Are you so obtuse to imagine they had no clue how murderous the intentions of the psychopaths coming to kill them were becoming? They would have been frozen like deer in the spotlight as soon as they knew evacuation was taking place around them

Kathey October 7, 2019 at 6:31 pm

I met a female who was with the move when I was at Cambridge Springs the parole board wanted her to admit to things she never did she would not so every time she went up for parole she was denied!!! She was one of the nicest people you will ever meet but spent years in prison because of a corrupt mayor and police!!!! There is also a book out on the Move.

Amanda October 8, 2019 at 11:39 pm

I have also met whom you are speaking of at the same place, and I completely agree with your opinion. The parole board should not try to force her in to admitting to crimes she did not personally commit. She is beautifully spirited person. We all do and have done bad things. In 85, I was 3. However. That entire situation is completely opinionated. There is always gonna be some controversy. My opinion.. The cops actions, the Mayor, the fire company all wrong. I would be damned if I would stand idly by when I could be saving another human being, or animal. Every living thing should have a right. Oh yeah I forgot this is America where we are all controlled and expected to be what society thinks we should be. Nah fuck all that. Individuality builds us.

Kayla October 12, 2019 at 12:32 am

Kathey do you by chance know the name and author of said book I would truly love to know more about this

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 5:27 am

thank you kathey for reporting the truth.

Katemae October 8, 2019 at 10:32 am

Why is it that the Klan has never been bombed. Creatures? Your racism is showing

Troy October 9, 2019 at 1:44 pm

Trust me you didn’t have to state that you were white. Your depiction of those that perished was very clear as to your race. I would ask you, would you or would you not classify members of groups such as the kkk, skin heads and other neo-nazi parties should be depicted and delcared as VULTURES, ANIMALS, BEAST & SCUM OF THE EARTH. Most importantly and best descriptive… CRIMINALS!!!!. I too remember when this took place and I was horrified for two reasons. 1.) It was clear to me at 15yrs old that BLACK men, women, and childrens lives meant little to NOTHING to the white power elite that run this country and they were brazenly putting it on display for all to see. 2.) This corrupt government will not hesitate to brutally muder any non white that stands up to the bullshit that gets thriwn in our faces as fact. This current administration thrives on hatred and it’s something that the good ole USA has been using and practicing since they stole the country from the Native Americans. Just my opinion…

Dd October 12, 2019 at 4:02 am

Sean Hellier unfortunately Not “beyond belief” in America……just American being revealed on things we have dealt with and keep dealing with.

Courtney October 12, 2019 at 10:38 am

Smh see how some white are? “ I watched it on tv.. they were violent.. hoodlums”
You know nothing of them but will label them to diminish their character because you don’t want a black wrong doing to come to light.. you’re sick.. you came hear to learn of something terrible that happened to black people, but your poor little white eyes couldn’t take it..

Yahya Ali-El July 3, 2016 at 2:05 am

We are ‘supposed’ to teach our own children about themselves and their Ancestors, who are Kings and Queens of Civilization. No need to how aliens teach their doctrine to them. Peace

Mark Walker October 7, 2019 at 9:22 pm


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P. Mason September 4, 2016 at 2:44 pm

When government violates the human rights of innocent citizens, they will try their best to cover up their dirty deeds and rewrite history to make themselves appear innocent. That is why, as a people, we need to be involved with our local government to defeat evil and keep the politicians honest. Community oversight of the workings of local politics is vital and necessary to our environment, health and welfare.

Jeff October 5, 2018 at 8:03 am

First of all Dana they were going to make their ever loving best to deep six this terrorist act by local government. This was like black wall street when the government as racist as they are committed the same racist tactics. You never hear them bombing white supremacist groups and the group called MOVE were within their own rights of living peaceful.

Mathew November 26, 2018 at 2:27 pm

They got the year wrong. This occurred during the 70s.

Trice October 12, 2019 at 10:40 am

You are wrong the group started in the 70s the bombing happen in 1985 check you facts

Sherrie July 27, 2019 at 4:53 pm

This is to Tyler Perry, you have a full studio able to create and tell any story, well this one is real and all you have to do is investigate it, pick your actors, and give it life as well as light. You say your a black brother; who stand on the shoulders of many slaves and freedom fighter, well here is a chance to give them just reward for there service to our existence. P.S . A short film will do just fine. I love you Sleeping Giant!

Audreym August 1, 2019 at 4:44 pm

Not many was aware of this. And to think it was a Black Mayor that okayed it.

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 5:26 am

mayor goode did not ok the plan to bomb move, he simply endorsed it after the fact to try to prevent rioting.

mayor goode did good, it’s just a sad fact that the police were never in his control in the first place.

we know, we were part of the times, affiliated with move.

love, gharveyn…

Dawn October 7, 2019 at 12:04 am


Mark Walker October 7, 2019 at 9:25 pm

Invasion of this continent by Europeans did not start racism, only moved it to a new place.

Ree October 12, 2019 at 10:42 pm

You are so right I have never heard of this…and look how they hide history

Dan Schilling October 13, 2019 at 12:44 pm

N i g g e r s aren’t human their entire feral feral idiot species should have been exterminated in 1865. Kill them all. WHITE POWER FOREVER!!!

Rebecca Gavin October 13, 2019 at 1:33 pm

Way to make a case for white supremacy, Mr. Schilling. I wouldn’t want to be in the same state as you unless I was up-to-date on all my shots and had a hazmat suit. And I’m white.

Diana October 14, 2019 at 5:41 pm

Just when I am thinking people like you have pretty much died out one of you slithers out from your hiding spot and spews some vile, inhuman shit that reminds us how far we have to go still.
I mean wtf?

Karen October 21, 2019 at 10:07 pm

Dan, you are a disgrace to white people everywhere.

Thirdnoah May 31, 2016 at 10:51 pm

For those who claim that the 1985 Philadelphia MOVE fire was “hidden”, this only reinforces the notion that if one wants to hide things from black people, put it in a book. This very public occurrence was covered extensively at the time by world-wide media. It also covered the fact that the black middle class neighbors made 100’s of complaints against the MOVE members, who defecated and urinated in public, refused to bathe, threw their garbage on the lawn, and made many structural changes to the building, none with a required permit or by a licensed/bonded contractor. In short, the neighbors were sick and tired of these people dragging down the value of their properties, most of which were single family homes, not rentals. Wilson Goode made every effort to get these people to comply with local ordinances and they absolutely refused, leaving him with no choice but to evict them. Yes, innocent children died, but MOVE has to accept responsibility for that. When they decided to fight rather than accept eviction, they could have sent the children out rather than keep them as human shields (similar to what ISIS does today, by holing up in non-combatant areas). Don’t take my word for any of this; you can find it by looking at past issues of the Philadelphia Inquirer and other mainstream media.

John Davidson May 31, 2016 at 11:10 pm

So, according to Thirdnoah, Shit in Public then you deserve to die by bombing….

Sean Hellier June 29, 2016 at 2:16 am

No, you don’t deserve to die for shitting in public, or for any other reason. Except that MOVE began the confrontation by shooting at the police, and if you shoot at them, they’re going to come at you with, well you know how they can be, ja?

Make no mistake: everything ThirdNoah said about them was true. They also virulently hated white people and preached our destruction. They were hateful creatures.

But none of that excuses what the authorities did, which was a slaughter.

Kanye February 5, 2019 at 1:45 pm

I know. It’s not like they didn’t have any reasons to hate white people. What did white people ever do to black people?(Sarcasm)

fuckobama October 8, 2019 at 7:27 pm

no it did not disappear the blacks just changed it… MOVE was shit and they were the cause of this… glad it happened… your an asshole… stop fucking playing the victim. not all whites are bad just like not all blacks are thugs… lol

Tamika Buxton February 3, 2019 at 9:46 am

Clearly Thirdnoah also likes to spread White racist propaganda about Black people not reading… there are people of all races who don’t pick up a book; yet, Black people are the ones who takes the hit from this negative propaganda. I bet he also believes in Black on Black crime although there is no such term for any other race that commits crimes against those of their own race.

Kevin Collins October 16, 2019 at 3:52 am

Wow!!! This is hideous!!!! They never have to bomb anyone!!! They could’ve waited them out, and found a peaceful resolution for this matter!!!
But instead chose to kill!!!! If they had a conence they’d have known better!!!!! That’s just straight HATEFUL!!!!!

Jamison C. Braman June 1, 2016 at 1:07 am

@Thirdnoah, the residents complained about the MOVE organization and wanted them out of the neighborhood but the mayor completely ignored their complaints and did nothing for months. They built the illegal structure on their house in front of police who did nothing as per the mayors instructions. If you watch the video connected to this article, many of the residents stated that the mayor acted like he didnt want to be bothered with them when the spoke with him about their problems with MOVE. But none of that is relevant to the fact that the police/government officials DROPPED A BOMB ON A HOUSE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THEN LET THE NEIGHBORHOOD BURN DOWN WHILE THE RESIDENTS WHO HAD BEEN ASKING FOR HELP FOR MONTHS WATCHED THEIR HOMES BURN. How can you blame MOVE for the actions of the police/government? MOVE didnt drop the bomb or fire 10,000 bullets.

Matt June 8, 2016 at 6:43 pm

O well theubfired and werw disturbing the peace . And had fired on cops several times. Shit happens when you do shit like that

Greshin September 4, 2016 at 10:04 am

This is not the first bombing by the US on its own people. 1921 they bombed and killed 3000 people in 72 hours in Tulsa, OK. Destroyed the first Black Wallstreet

Dan Schilling October 13, 2019 at 12:46 pm

The entire n i g g e r species should have been exterminated long ago. Kill them all now. HEIL TRUMP!

Anthon Parson October 6, 2019 at 7:45 pm

This will always be apart of my history as an actor playing Birdie Africa.

Anthon Parson October 6, 2019 at 7:46 pm

This will always and forever be apart of my history as an actor playing Birdie Africa.

Howard Moore Jr June 26, 2016 at 12:16 pm

Nothing Move did or did not do justified their murder. Trash, urine, and human feces on the law has never been a capital crime and maybe not even a misdemeanor or infraction. It look around where you live and especially sports arenas and after hours clubs.

Jluv June 30, 2016 at 12:39 am

not 1 thing u mentioned gives the government or anyone else reasons to bomb a neighborhood, but we r talking about America the Great ….yeah rite cause i haven’t experienced nothing great bout USA , its has taught n demonstrated nothing but pure Evil now we live in a Country with more Evil than anywhere in the world thanks Government and of course Caucasian people, u all taught Evil to the highest power …..

Khali September 3, 2016 at 12:14 pm

I think when people say stuff is hidden they mean they weren’t taught about it in school I know I wasnt. This should be in the history books we get in HS and it’s not.

Buck September 5, 2016 at 2:52 am

So, MOVE members being a bunch of jackasses makes them responsible for police shooting people as they run from a burning building? That’s like saying I have the right to put a bullet in the head of someone who cuts me off in traffic because it’s a moving violation. I’m betting, judging from your approval of the “put it in a book” stereotype, that your twisted logic results from a bigoted world view.

Scotty September 5, 2016 at 7:38 am

It simply started by redisting. When will you ppl get it. Stop redisting. A cop gonna slam anyone, white black, that’s redisting. For some reason , black ppl think they are above the law and don’t have to obey. Then they wonder why they getting slammed. Stop breaking the law and ull never see a cop. I will never ever be on the side of someone who broke the law being pursued by someone upholding it. U break the law, you’re gonna deal with a cop. U resisting, he gonna slam ur ass and ur not gonna win! Behave or expect to be brutalized. Sheesh….it’s not rocket science!

Scotty September 5, 2016 at 7:41 am

Resisting*…. not redisting

Niya September 18, 2018 at 10:12 am

What about Philandro who done nothing wrong or Tamir Rice who was playing with a toy gun or the black guy chilling in his apartment when a police officers breaks in and kills him. There are tons of examples of police officers being wrong. How about white people stop being judge and executioners and admit you have a problem.

blcpwr78 October 7, 2019 at 6:48 pm

Thats right! All white people should die!!! They are responsible for all evil in the world and if they would just go away, everything would be perfect!!!

Michaelfurman October 8, 2019 at 12:28 pm

Nice response guy.. genocide will totally fix the problem.. kill all the white people.. including white children right?? Its not racist at all right?

Kayla October 12, 2019 at 1:10 am

I agree with this . I am white but I do agree most white ppl do take everything way to far. We breed and thrive on nothing but Hippocrates and we need to face that already. We do not know all and could learn a hell of a lot from many other races. I don’t think any one race should be terminated but all races come together and see that “race” is only man made. We should see others as our brothers and sisters and should embrace what we can learn. The only thing to stop a person is the lack of knowledge they hold. Yet the knowledge they do have is the one thing that can never be taken. I know so many black families that have shown me more love and care than ANY white family. Btw I have a clean record no tats or piercings and am a huge constitutionalist yet get messed with by the boys in blue more times than you can count on fingers and toes. So the hole don’t resist thing is bs. Some officers need to understand WE THE PEOPLE give them that job and give them that pay threw tax money and WE THE PEOPLE can also make that end. I do know and have several really close friends who are amazing officers so I do have a high level of respect for them at the same time. Still, the power should never go to your head cuz the power is only given from those you mistreat.

Big D October 22, 2018 at 10:40 am

Tell that to Philando Castile/Sandra Bland, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, Botham Jean. NONE of them were resisting arrest when they were murdered.
Please stop acting like an ignorant racist twat….although i don’t think you were “acting” .

Dan Schilling October 13, 2019 at 12:49 pm

I hate n i g g e r s and can’t wait until I can legally kill them. Kenyan muslim homosexual communist ape obama is going to be the first one. WHITE POWER FOREVER!

PJ September 23, 2018 at 2:42 am

What happens you resist and still end up dead, you must be white to say something so ignorant. We have seen time and time again, people who were “compliant” being killed in hand cuffs, being beaten to death or choked out, tased. So you do not have anything to say about the murderous pigs who do this. Apparently now, they can just walk up in your own home and kill. Police need to be held accountable and people need to stop using “compliance” to justify innocent people being killed.

Godson February 4, 2019 at 3:47 pm

Obey???? What about your human rights? You sound like a spineless coward who doesn’t stand up for himself…some of us know our rights and choose to exercise our freedoms before they take it completely from us but people like you won’t even care because you are the ones making it easy for them to do so coward ass!!!

Daniel February 10, 2019 at 11:29 am

Scotty you are one of these “privileged whites” that try to ignorantly your culture and treatment to another ethnic group, which has been terrorized by the police for centuries. Wrong doing had nothing to do with it, by the way. So, wise up and study your true history books before opening your big mouth or penning idiocracy to your own embarrassment and hurt. “You people” use in reference to “black people” is a tell tell sign of a true racist by the way. God have mercy upon your wretched soul.

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 5:17 am

you are correct daniel,

alas, our ‘true’ history books are full of lies.

like so many other events, this event was never reported fairly by the media.

we know, we were affiliated with move.

sorry to say, we are one of those privileged whites; we cannot change the color of our skin so we can never rid ourselves of the privileges we do not deserve.

the best we can do is try to end discrimination and injustice.

we agree that white folks should pen a lot less idiocracies.

love, gharveyn…

Brittnay August 8, 2019 at 9:12 pm

You must be absolutely out of your damn mind. Keep living in your lily white land of lies you ignorant bigot. Where I am from there was only black and white and my family was well known… btw I am black. I have been followed illegally searched etc. And I allowed it to happen bc I WAS NEVER DOING ANYTHING WRONG IN MY HOME TOWN OR ANYWHERE ELSE… it just so happens the mention of my family’s name warrants an apology. Bc they are full of shit. This nation has created the paranoia that the black race owns and teacheS their children, SO THEY ARE NOT GUNNED DOWN IN THE STREETS OR CARS FOR REACHING FOR THEIR LICENSE AND REGISTRATION. YOU PEOPLE need to not comment in these post bc when your ignorant ass is smelling the ROSES we are explaining why we take a glance at them.

Brittnay August 8, 2019 at 9:14 pm

Oh shoot Scotty I forgot to mention I grew up down the street from James Madison’s plantation you stupid bigot .

Tee September 5, 2016 at 9:48 am

History was my Major in California, books was my first love, and in my 43 years of life I’ve never heard of this!!!!!!

IREMEMBER September 9, 2018 at 8:25 am

Well, clearly this is a piece of history that you missed! And get ready, if you missed this, there’s probably more you missed!

Mathew November 26, 2018 at 2:28 pm

The year is wrong. It happened during the 70s.

John Wells February 4, 2019 at 10:00 pm

Mathew, the bombing of the building took place in 1984. It’s true that there were incidents in the 70’s as well.

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 5:05 am


there were two major events involving move, one in the seventies, and another on mother’s day in 1985.

we worked with members of move at political rallies in 1981 and 1982, we know the history.

injustice both times.

we’ve already retold these stories here, if you want the facts then just search our name here…

love, gharveyn…

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 5:09 am


since moving to california we’ve retold this story many times and no one here had heard it before.

clearly there was a media black-out.

no pun intended.

we were affiliated with move in 1981 and 1982.

we know the history.

the papers got it wrong.

the bombing was in no way justified by anything more than people’s fear.

move was a little noisy, but they were not armed; no one deserved to die.

alas, power wants what power wants and it will not be denied unless we learn to work together to change things for the better.

remembering social injustice is important to everyone.

love, gharveyn…

K. Harris September 5, 2016 at 3:10 pm

Even if these people did do those things that you mentioned none of those actions rise to the justification of governmental bombing and indiscriminate killing of these people and their children as they tried to escape death….they deserved to die?…be executed?…. The kkk has persecuted thousands of black people including hanging many on a daily basis and people of all colors( including the president wife Eleanor Roosevelt ) have denounced and complained for centuries however never has there been any conscious effort to even nationally condemn them and they are still going strong….because these people were different nonconformist they and their children deserve to be bombed and shot like less than animals because they tried to escape?….your your racism is showing…. There is no excuse for this assassination as there was no excuse for America dropping bombs on Black Wall Street….this information is also in a book, perhaps you may want to educate yourself!

King Ray October 7, 2018 at 5:59 am

Okay, so I suppose every homeless community deserves the same fate? You have GOT to be kidding me, and it’s exactly like Black Wall Street. Also, I don’t believe everything the media prints, because they have a very bad habit of skewing and slanting the truth. You believe everything you read, exactly as you read it, you are part of the problem!

Yeah, and the FBI told MLK to kill himself, kill all our leaders, and dismantle the Black Panther Party, which were protecting our people. See if you can find the truth about that, you fool! Everywhere you look, they justified all that bullshit and printed it up as all activists were BIE’s, according to very old Hoover hysteria!

Mark Walker October 7, 2019 at 9:35 pm

Two points.

Proportionality: minorities don’t receive it from the legal system.

Abuse of power: examples show up on the news every week. Black guy shot producing ID. Whacked out white guy with rifle chased down and humanely subdued.

Charles Taylor September 21, 2019 at 1:21 pm

if they keep on going thru people an with people there is all kinds even unnatural imposters out there an eventually they will run across one with the shit they are known for an with a imposter it’s the ideas that is produced that can fuck everything that makes their lives happy they should know that picking people just like raffles that they will run into a spawn from the Amber lights hell unit🌫🔴♓–🔱✔

Diana October 14, 2019 at 5:47 pm

“MOVE has to accept responsibility for this”, whatever they did to property values or in ignoring official channels ( if that is what happened ) did not warrant being bombed by their own police force, being executed as they flew a burning building, or forced to watch as the rest of the area burned to the ground.

Andre Atkins June 7, 2016 at 10:26 am

Everyone forgets the the fire chief was Frank Rizzo’s brother and police chief was a Frank Rizzo’s guy. Both appointed by Mayor Goode. They paid no attention to Goode or Brooks When they ordered them to put out the fire.

Jking June 27, 2016 at 7:43 pm

Never forget back in 1985 when brothers stuck together instead of killing.

Charles Taylor September 21, 2019 at 1:33 pm

in it recorded that when the population grows crimes an all other noises go’s up but when their ain’t to many people than the crimes an noises is low it’s because of fools that look around at every one an say we can do anything an not seen or caught

Taquito Lamante' Brown July 1, 2016 at 12:00 am

Okay. I just stumbled onto this page. After reading this article, I have come to a few conclusions. 1. The police did seem to act in a way that was an abuse of power. 2. There must have been a reason for the police to have been there and attacked that house so vigorously. I mean I live in an area where there are drugs and an occasional homicide by some random dude, but the cops aren’t bombing anything around here. 3. It is a foregone conclusion that West Philadelphia has become more urbanized and thus more violent. If an area gets too bad, maybe they’d rather nuke it then try to clean it up. For the life of me, I don’t understand why the urban culture has such a penchant for violence and including but not limited to black on black crime.

Tony Brown July 1, 2016 at 5:14 pm

Lol. ….if you took a little time to do some research you probably wouldn’t have to study long to find yourself incorrect. Authentic data shows crime rates in urban communities doesn’t vary much from suburban counterparts. But I will grant you that the urban ones do capture the most attention. I also noticed you touched on the topic of drugs which I would like to pose a question related to the topic. If unlawful drug sales is a multi -billion dollar a year industry but people of color only represent a small fraction of sthe country’s society needless to say an even smaller percentage of the financial wealth. …how is it that we are supporting/representing the largest portion of involvement in it. I invite to get more involved in the facts rather than hear say and possibly your opinion may change.

Jillyin James September 5, 2016 at 8:27 pm

best comment in the face of white supremacy. Thats my question when was arrested for high level drug trafficking, wheres my money if I am so high on this industries ladder, no the reality is it is uncle sam pumping this shit into our communities. How did the poor people in America learn to make crack? Who taught us how to make it?

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:59 am

yeah tony,

but in our lily-white neighborhoods the police went out of their way to avoid locking up our criminal friends.

they shrugged off everything from keggers to felonies

they looked the other way as much as possible because some of those spoiled white kids had very wealthy parents who would just make the cops lives miserable if anything happened to their precious little hoods.

we know this.

we used to sit at a table playing pinochle with a cop who smoked dope.

he always let us slide.

it’s hardly the same thing.

love, gharveyn….

Noname Yetgiven September 8, 2018 at 8:38 am

Just to give you some history about this neighborhood at THAT TIME. This area was considered a middle classes BLACK neighborhood. THE MAJORITY of black people who lived in this neighborhood were municipal workers, educators, health profeasionals and a mixture of white and blue collar african american workers. The “reason” for the police presence was because the residence(who were black) in this neighborhood was complaining about the property owned by one of the MOVE members and the interruptive activity MOVE members were doing. They were creating a “nusence” (loud bullhorns making loud political speeches using profanity) during all times of the day. The residents of this neighborhood had been making complaints about it to the city. The MOVE house was served citations by the city. The city under the leadership of its FIRST BLACK MAYOR( who wasn’t a native Philadelphian) ordered the residents to “evacuate” and leave their homes the night before (knowing the police were going in aggressively). That next morning all hell broke loose. I was 14 at the time a resident of this so called city of brotherly love hell hole(born and raised in Philly). We watched it all day. While I was getting dressed to goto school, while in school teachers played it in the classrooms and after I got home. Although the residence asked the city for help to resolve the issues they had with the MOVE members for the nusence they were causing, THEY WERE ANGERED, DISGUSTED, AND DEVISTADED By the actions that THE CITY, THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT took. Lives were lost and a neighborhood burned down to the grown. Due to the DESTRUCTION caused by the philadelphia police and fire department the city rebuilt the homes(and hired a crooked contractor to do it who was later found guilty of mishandled funds). The rebuilt properties where so shotty the city had to tear them down abou 20 years later.. …. Prejudice and bigotry is a trip. The person that posted the previous statment IMMEDIATELY came to the conclusion that the neighborhood was drug infested and why else would the police come there. I assume the person that posted the comment is bigoted and prejudice because of the coded choice of words when describing the neighborhood. SMH

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:07 am

hi noname yetgiven,

you are absolutely right, there was a reason, but not a very good one.

many years earlier the police were engaged in an armed standoff with move that lasted 3 months.

move lived over on 32nd street then.

the police erected steel barricades all around move’s house for the purpose of arresting a single man for whom they had a warrant.

they cut off water and power.

they fired on the house and killed a baby.

move fired back and killed a police officer.

a local minister carried water and food into the house every day and eventually negotiated a peaceful resolution.

the steel barricades came down, but so did the house.

last time we visited the site it was still an empty rubble-strewn lot.

move learned a lot and resolved to disarm and be more peaceful.

alas, their late-night political rhetoric on osage street disturbed some of the neighbors who feared another 3 month armed stand-off might arise.

the only reason move was bombed was because the neighbors were scared.

shame on them!

guess that shows folks what good fear does.

love works better!

love, gharveyn…

Michael Stephenson July 5, 2016 at 10:25 am

Meanwhile this white kid @ Stanford rapes a woman and gets 6 months, 3 with good behavior. The hypocrisy is really fuckin disgusting.

Dave September 12, 2016 at 2:21 am

Happens to Whites as well… Ruby Ridge? Waco Texas ?

tunchi wu chu September 16, 2016 at 11:58 am

White people got so much to pay for.look at all the evil they have done to black people.Then they expect us to forget the can we forget it??Look at what the police are doing to US?

Melissa DiBiase September 30, 2018 at 1:46 am

I’m white, please tell me what I have done to you. I will gladly make amends for my crimes against you. Simply enlighten me on the ere of my ways. Oh I think you might need to study your history first though since my family is Irish, and I married Italian. None of family members were in the US until well after slavery had been abolished. My heritage is quite full of atrocities committed by men against my family as well. Perhaps Evil just is. You don’t need a qualifying skin color to be harmed by evil. Police brutality is absolutely rampant and something must be done. I agree however, when both races work together and hold the boys in blue accountable for their actions then things will change. No Soros funded BLM movement is ever going to change anything. Communities must work together to fix this. Wearing a badge should be an honor. When we as a community hold those in position accountable then this will stop. Police forces are too large, too militarized. Too many strangers too many black masks. I want to know where my local sherriff lives, why, because if I know where his children sleep too. Perhaps I won’t worry about them shooting mine. Evil cannot exist in the hearts of men with no secrets.

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:17 am

sister, we are white too.

you are correct in some of your views, but your sarcasm is hostile.

please, let us all cease hostilities and learn to respect each other views.

we wanted to say something similar to what you have said here, but without the anger and outrage.

the divide between black and white is ridiculousness built upon euro-centrism that mistakenly imposed the false idea that blacks and whites were two separate races.

the dna evidence is in folks, and we are all one people, one race, regardless of color, ethnicity, or national boundaries.

let’s celebrate everything we have together.

let’s learn to share our wealth without fear, and to uphold peace, love, liberty, and justice for all people everywhere because we have always been one people and will forever remain one people however artificially we may foolishly divide ourselves.

love, gharveyn…

Karen October 21, 2019 at 10:26 pm

gharveyn, you are correct. United we stand or divided we fall. Injustice against one is an injustice against all.

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 3:55 am

we were told by a survivor that there were no weapons in the house. we believed them. we believe the weapons alleged to have been recovered by the police were planted by the police.

there was no excuse for this outrage.

alas, we were familiar with move’s late-night political diatribes, and these did upset the peace and quiet of the neighborhood at times. we criticized the same thing about the political movement we belonged to then.

please demonstrate peacefully, respectfully, with love for all people equally.

love, gharveyn…

Melissa DiBiase September 30, 2018 at 1:30 am

For those that claim this would never happen in a “white” neighborhood. Ever hear of the Waco Massacre? Yeah, they don’t care what color you are, just over!

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:18 am

that wasn’t a neighborhood, it was an isolated commune.

Karen October 21, 2019 at 10:29 pm

Melissa DiBiase, this would never have happened in a white neighborhood. I’m from Philly and I’m white.

Suzanne Higgins February 3, 2019 at 7:35 pm

Like the commentor at the top of the page, I never heard of this before! It is shocking and evil beyond all else! :O As a Canadian woman, I invite black people to move North! There’s no need to put up with this anymore. The whole world is on your side! All the reasonable people with hearts in their chests, that is.

Robert February 20, 2019 at 2:03 am

The Move members should have been arrested for sure. They were a threat to public health particularly to the near by neighbors who complained for such a long time about the way they lived. They should have been living in a rural area. However there was no excuse for the huge bombing.

D.A. July 15, 2019 at 3:18 am

I remember when this happened. The Move members were not social and did not follow social norms but they had not harmed anyone. But, was this a reason to burn own a whole block of homes. We all know this could only happen in a neighborhood where people of color live. If you attempt to live off the grid, they wont let you. And, a Black man approved this murderous behavior.

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:25 am

move rightly challenged the social norms.

those norms need to change for the benefit of all people everywhere.

mayor goode accepted political responsibility for a police force that was not in his control.

the bombing was a part of former police chief rizzo’s legacy.

rizzo was a blatant racist.

move had reformed from their earlier days of conflict with the police, but the police are less forgiving.

move contributed to the political welfare of the city because without dissent repression always wins.

we were there. we know. we worked with move at political rallies.

this was a crime by the police.

straight up.

love, gharveyn…

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Kenya October 7, 2019 at 1:17 am

I pray this story never white wash depicted let’s keep historically true facts we know they even try downplay slavery we got teach our children about this they cant even tell truth about slavery
Keep eyes and ears open my melanated brothers and sisters

Fray October 7, 2019 at 7:30 am

and we’re the animals smh so sad how can you do this to a human being

Bobby October 7, 2019 at 9:29 am

Everybody loves talking about how racist white people are. Black people are just as racist if not more. I’m not going to apologize or justify anything that has happened. I didn’t do it. Most people cause their own problems. Life isn’t fair. Get over it!

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:31 am

easy to say get over it when you are a privileged person protected by a gun in a policeman’s hand.

if you do not believe you are privileged then you need to look deeper.

sorry, but the rituals of privilege for white people are everywhere; we know this because black people treat us with far more respect than we deserve, just because we are white.

hitch-hiking as a youth black folk gave us lifts in white and rural areas more than 60% of the time. they were kind and well spoken.

the lifts we got from white folk were often scary

we are shamed by our privileges but they are impossible to renounce until we change our societies to treat all people equally.

love, gharveyn….

Robert October 26, 2019 at 1:58 am

What fucking planet do you live on? I wished I could figure out this privilege you speak of.
You must speak of the privilege to work 60 hours a week? The privilege to keep a tight budget? The privilege to pay taxes?

I doubt you are white. Either that or you grew up in fairy tale land far, far away from here.
First off, the gun that protects me is in my hand.
Second, self-respecting, working people around here are too busy making a living to be racist (either way}.
Third, racist people cry racism the most. And they are usually the trashy people trying to get something for nothing. I’ve seen self respecting blacks call this out faster than white folk.
Fourth, for a person to be given respect, they have to earn respect and a lot of that is by giving respect.
Personally, I judge and treat people based on character. I can’t help what color they are.

And you speak of police as if they are removed from society. Like they are our overseers that live in the tall tower. These people live in the community. They are related to people. They go to church with people. The police ARE us. They aren’t perfect but I believe most of them do the best they can day in and day out. Look at the idiots they are forced to deal with most of the time. I don’t think I could do it.

Love, Robert

Scott October 7, 2019 at 11:04 am

There’s a reason why even their own neighbors and fellow black citizens wanted them dead.

Karen Tarver. October 7, 2019 at 8:16 pm


gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:34 am

that is an unwarranted misrepresentation of the facts that will ultimately promote intolerance when we need more tolerance.

sorry bro, we knew the people of move and worked with them. like all people some were better than others, but they were all good people in their own ways.

we hope that whatever ails you that inspires your hatred will heal.

love, gharveyn…

Lori Morgan October 7, 2019 at 8:22 pm

It was the Mayor that made that choice not the police. The police commissioner tried to warn the Mayor of not only children still being inside the house, along with drums of gasoline.
Mona Africa put this war into play after she threatened the city over the conviction of mahama abu-jamal for killing a Philadelphia cop in cold blood.
The house all it occupants were evicted by The owner refused to leave.
They had that house locked up like a fortress before the stand off.
Men involved with MOVE along with women were armed.
They FBI stepped in with the Philadelphia police to bring this to an end.
Mayor Wilson Good made the call for an air strike trying to be the hero ended up killing innocent kids.
The Mayor is responsible, his office was warned about the gasoline coming out of the house and still went against the commissioner, FBI, and fire chief.
Then blamed the tragedy on them to save his own ass.

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:39 am

sorry lori,

that is a gross misrperesentation of the facts.

we were there, we know.

we worked with the members of move at many political rallies.

the bombing was part of the legacy of the former chief of police, frank rizzo, a blatant racist, and was motivated only by fear.

there was nothing to fear from move but a little late-night political rhetoric that sometimes disturbed the peace of the neighborhood inappropriately.

our own political group got in conflict with the police for the same reasons, but no one dropped a bomb on us.

but then we were white.

please be more responsible with what you say.

let’s all promote unity, peace, love, and understanding.

love, gharveyn…

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:50 am

oh, and with regard to mahama abu-jamal, the police failed to identify themselves to mahama who arrived on the scene as they were trying to arrest his brother.

mahama believed he was acting in self defense and in defense for his brother against white racists.

he was!

making him sit on death row was a typical over-reaction, he deserved better support from all communities in philadelphia, but the cops had a racist agenda back then and we think that still goes today; but we no longer live in philadelphia so we can only hope things have improved.

our last visits to philly only made us grieve more for the social injustice we saw.

on the upside we got to participate in a photo shoot with the rap musicians called ‘crime family’.

that is one of the best things we remember from our home town.

love, gharveyn…

tommi fredrickson October 8, 2019 at 9:37 pm

their own neighbors hated them….act like assholes and people will get rid of you like the vermin you are

Mauricio October 8, 2019 at 10:39 pm

I found pictures of the house on Google Map interested to seen the house please email me and I’ll send them to you

gharveyn October 12, 2019 at 4:42 am

we are deeply disturbed by too many white commentators here who try to justify this inhumane bombing.

we believe in free speech, but please can’t we all learn to be more respectful?


love, gharveyn…

JarMa13 October 12, 2019 at 7:43 pm

I know there are inequities in this country, but this is just like David Koresh.
They just killed them all.
Those people didn’t harm anyone.
Didn’t threaten anyone.

But they don’t like cults unless they’re sanctioned by the government.
In this case it was black people, but they kill white people with the same irreverence.
It’s like ramona said.
The poor is not served by police.
The poor are in their crosshairs, no matter their color.
America is an oligarchy and the poor are victimized.
Because rising from absolute zero when slavery was abolished is a difficult process, there is an imporportionate amount of poor blacks.
But poor people are not valued as wealthy people are.

It IS criminal

Mishacon Crockett October 13, 2019 at 8:14 am

5 People
Healthy suggestions
Misled government

Don’t worry. I’m here. It will get better.

Next target against you is indirect disease, indirect food poisoning and planned chaos or better explained “commotion”.

George Fredlund October 13, 2019 at 10:45 am

I remember it well as the be of the most batshit crazy actions by a supposed police department. The disregard for human life and property was reminiscent of Nazi Raid on the Warsaw Ghetto.

Troy Donahue October 16, 2019 at 9:39 am

By all means, keep voting Democrat.

Donna Warner March 2, 2020 at 7:28 pm


Stevie And May 25, 2020 at 9:15 pm

That neighborhood was the bomb back in the 80’s. What? Too soon?


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